In our experimental arts projects puppetry and puppetry techniques are core contributors to our creative process, but the puppetry influence can be hard to see in the project outcomes. We like to create work on the same theme for three years. During this time, we make a series of ever evolving interconnected works ranging from short films, large and small scale installations, to intimate participatory works. Our projects are rarely presented in a theatre space, and rarely have a traditional performance outcome.